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Post by waitehoyt on Aug 30, 2015 11:37:58 GMT -5
My question is what would be the best objectives for the last month of a lost season?
Do you continue to put out starting pitchers who are not (and may never be major league quality?) Going into next year only two starters have been identified and disregarding trades four?? bullpen pitchers.
I would value knowing what would be your focus?
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Post by kinsm on Aug 30, 2015 18:28:43 GMT -5
If you're Price you shouldn't be all that concerned with getting guys ready for 2016, since you might not be here if you continue to lose; play the most mlb ready players you have now.
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Post by jbuck on Aug 30, 2015 19:57:45 GMT -5
I'm thinking 'free hotdog' night, bust out some old 'big red machine' bobbleheads, $1.00 beer night, lots of fireworks too
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Post by rocky15231 on Aug 30, 2015 20:01:08 GMT -5
If you're Price you shouldn't be all that concerned with getting guys ready for 2016, since you might not be here if you continue to lose; play the most mlb ready players you have now. The Reds could go 30-5 and Price's job still wouldn't be any more secure. He'll probably just do the same thing he's been doing, only tweaking it when his pawns are removed by the front office. I mean, on one hand, there's nobody on Louisville who you really want to be an everyday player. On the other, there are plenty of arms the Reds to protect and I'd imagine their availability won't be up to Price. I hope to see a ton of DeJesus, Bourgeois, Schumaker, Boesch, Villareal, LeCure, Mattheus, Ballester, Badenhop, Holmberg, etc...I won't be watching and they are hopefully all gone next year. |
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Post by schellis on Aug 30, 2015 20:11:13 GMT -5
Give the kids innings, maybe pick up a retread that might have something left due to some of them reaching innings limits.
Offensively I don't think there are any kids ready so I'd just play the guys most likely to be with the 2016 club.
This team is bad, really the only thing left is to let the kids get their feet wet in games that really don't matter and hope that it strengthens them for when the games matter. I think Iglesias, Disco, and Lamb have shown enough to be part of the 2016 rotation with eventually Bailey and hopefully a Stephenson or Finnegan.
If Yorman were healthy, or Waldrop hitting I'd say give them a shot, perhaps Winker though I think it would be rushing him for really no reason same with bringing Stephenson up.
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Post by schellis on Aug 30, 2015 20:16:58 GMT -5
Also why I think Price hasn't be a impact manager (and I believe there are only a handful of those anyway) I don't think he's been one that takes from the table either. Tough to judge him when pretty much his entire rotation gone by mid-season with two gone before the season, a major impact bat gone before the first game and the pen being only two or three deep at any given time.
This failing is on Jocketty far more then Price, just as it was when it was Dusty. Teams like the Reds can't mediocre benches like the Reds full of players that either can't hit or field.
The Reds need to find guys that can at least be a threat against lefties or righties, soemone that could start two or three games a week to give the regulars rest without a major drop off.
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Post by kinsm on Aug 31, 2015 4:05:05 GMT -5
If you're Price you shouldn't be all that concerned with getting guys ready for 2016, since you might not be here if you continue to lose; play the most mlb ready players you have now. The Reds could go 30-5 and Price's job still wouldn't be any more secure. He'll probably just do the same thing he's been doing, only tweaking it when his pawns are removed by the front office. I mean, on one hand, there's nobody on Louisville who you really want to be an everyday player. On the other, there are plenty of arms the Reds to protect and I'd imagine their availability won't be up to Price. I hope to see a ton of DeJesus, Bourgeois, Schumaker, Boesch, Villareal, LeCure, Mattheus, Ballester, Badenhop, Holmberg, etc...I won't be watching and they are hopefully all gone next year. If the Reds went 30-5 I guarantee you he'd be back in 2016...100% guarantee. |
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Post by psuhistory on Aug 31, 2015 7:39:50 GMT -5
This team is bad, really the only thing left is to let the kids get their feet wet in games that really don't matter and hope that it strengthens them for when the games matter. I think Iglesias, Disco, and Lamb have shown enough to be part of the 2016 rotation with eventually Bailey and hopefully a Stephenson or Finnegan. Lorenzen and Sampson should also compete for the 2016 rotation: they might not make it, but both have shown enough to be in the mix. I don't see all that much uncertainty about who'll be in the competition, and it could make for an interesting ST. This last month should basically just involve monitoring innings, not finding the 2016 club... Boesch just went on the DL, so September won't be his showcase, in any event... |
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 31, 2015 10:13:54 GMT -5
My question is what would be the best objectives for the last month of a lost season? Do you continue to put out starting pitchers who are not (and may never be major league quality?) Going into next year only two starters have been identified and disregarding trades four?? bullpen pitchers. I would value knowing what would be your focus? The objective for the last month of the season is playing all the young guys, like Suarez. It's unfortunate that young Billy Hamilton and Yorman Rodriguez might miss out of that. Hopefully we'll see more of Kyle Waldrop after Louisville's season ends, despite his struggles. I'd also like to see Tucker Barnhart get lots of playing time (which is sure to happen), and see more of Ivan DeJesus, who will presumably return next year as a bench player. In no particular order Iglesias, DeSclafani, Lamb, Lorenzen, Stephenson, and Finnegan are the top priorities. I'd like to see Sampson removed from the traditional rotation to make room for one of those other guys, but perhaps used as a tandem-starter with Finnegan (allowing Sampson to both work as a reliever and pitch plenty of innings), who's only been pitching about 4 innings per start. I think Sampson's future remains in the bullpen, but for the remainder of 2015 they might as well use him for innings. Holmberg can convert to a bench warmer or mop-up man, but it's a waste to have him in the rotation at this point. Fortunately he's now been removed, good move by Price and Jocketty. Going into next year three or four starting pitchers have been identified, plus Bailey and Stephenson. |
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Aug 31, 2015 10:55:35 GMT -5
If it was me, I'd be playing as much marginal AAA talent as possible.
The strong candidates, e.g. Stephenson & Winker, there is no reason to start their service time early, as they will eventually be in the mix somewhere.
I'd shut down any young arm that already has a bunch of innings that I'd expect to contribute in 2016, e.g. Lorenzen.
So I'd play as much of guys like LaMarre, YRod, Sampson, Holmberg, Contreras, Axelrod, Dejesus, Negron, Skipworth, and so forth as possible. I'd be looking at guys who might or might not be on the bench for me in 2016.
As much as I'm sick of seeing Bourgeous get trot out there, it does give us a chance to evaluate whether or not to offer him arbitration. (so far, to no one's surprise, the answer is a resounding no).
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 31, 2015 11:33:23 GMT -5
I forgot Ryan LaMarre. I'd be interested in seeing him more in CF, with Billy Hamilton out. It's probably the best, and only, chance he'll ever get to show what he can do in the majors. I expect good fielding and lots of strikeouts. He's pretty much a sure thing to be DFA'd (again) this winter.
Jason Bourgeois, in my opinion, is undeserving of salary arbitration, but worthy of consideration for a new minor league contract. He's done well defensively in CF, whenever I've watched, and his hitting numbers are right in line with his career norms, at a ~.250 average and ~.300 OBP. I expected his hitting to drop off after shoulder surgery, like happened to Ludwick and Schumaker, but so far that hasn't happened. Bourgeois is nothing interesting or exceptional, but he's your basic replacement-level player (career fWAR +0.8).
I also forgot Carlos Contreras. He's been a disappointment, but I'd still like to see him more.
Holmberg, Axelrod, Negron, and Skipworth I only want used to prevent more important players from being overworked, although none have anything to show. Negron has already lost his role/standing/whatever to DeJesus, and Skipworth isn't a serious MLB player. I think the 2016 Reds need to sign a veteran backup catcher to a minor league contract.
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