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Post by Lark11 on Jun 30, 2015 22:47:28 GMT -5
I'm still confused on Disco's fluctuating workload limitations. He just wasn't on tonight. It was a constant battle. To try and steal another inning when he had given up 10 baserunners through 6 just didn't make sense. And unfortunately it looks like it might be the difference in this game. Right, so why 122 pitches tonight, but only 91 when he pitched 8 shutout innings against the Brewers in April?
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Post by psuhistory on Jun 30, 2015 23:00:11 GMT -5
He just wasn't on tonight. It was a constant battle. To try and steal another inning when he had given up 10 baserunners through 6 just didn't make sense. And unfortunately it looks like it might be the difference in this game. Right, so why 122 pitches tonight, but only 91 when he pitched 8 shutout innings against the Brewers in April? Bullpen has logged a lot of innings lately...
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 30, 2015 23:11:31 GMT -5
Right, so why 122 pitches tonight, but only 91 when he pitched 8 shutout innings against the Brewers in April? Bullpen has logged a lot of innings lately... A reasonable point, to be sure, though at this point I'd put what's best for Disco ahead of what's best for our collection of relievers, few of whom are in the long-term plans.
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Post by psuhistory on Jun 30, 2015 23:14:48 GMT -5
Bullpen has logged a lot of innings lately... A reasonable point, to be sure, though at this point I'd put what's best for Disco ahead of what's best for our collection of relievers, few of whom are in the long-term plans. 122 pitches is a little rich...
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 30, 2015 23:19:06 GMT -5
A reasonable point, to be sure, though at this point I'd put what's best for Disco ahead of what's best for our collection of relievers, few of whom are in the long-term plans. 122 pitches is a little rich... Personally, I don't mind it, but I'd like to see some consistency. As overrated mentioned above, this was more of a labored start for Disco, so maybe it was a bit much for this game. Besides, if someone is going to carry the burden of extra, over-the-top number of pitches, then I'd rather it be on a fungible reliever.
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 30, 2015 23:19:39 GMT -5
Barnhart backhands a 58 foot fastball from Contreras. I still really like his defense.
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 30, 2015 23:25:27 GMT -5
Hamilton hits a solid liner, but Perkins snags it. Bad luck for Billy.
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Post by overrated on Jun 30, 2015 23:34:25 GMT -5
122 pitches is a little rich... Personally, I don't mind it, but I'd like to see some consistency. As overrated mentioned above, this was more of a labored start for Disco, so maybe it was a bit much for this game. Besides, if someone is going to carry the burden of extra, over-the-top number of pitches, then I'd rather it be on a fungible reliever. The high stress innings were definitely a concern, but I was more worried about the ineffectiveness. We were lucky to be down 3-1 after 6. It wasn't a great night for Disco. He did have 6 ks, but he was giving up a lot of solid contact. And we are carrying 8 relievers right now. Some of them who aren't any good and could be sent down if necessary. The bullpen workload doesn't sit too well with me. But like I originally said, I think it'll be best for the Reds if we lose. I think management is really looking for a reason to keep the status quo. So maybe it isn't so bad.
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Post by psuhistory on Jul 1, 2015 0:16:27 GMT -5
Personally, I don't mind it, but I'd like to see some consistency. As overrated mentioned above, this was more of a labored start for Disco, so maybe it was a bit much for this game. Besides, if someone is going to carry the burden of extra, over-the-top number of pitches, then I'd rather it be on a fungible reliever. The high stress innings were definitely a concern, but I was more worried about the ineffectiveness. We were lucky to be down 3-1 after 6. It wasn't a great night for Disco. He did have 6 ks, but he was giving up a lot of solid contact. And we are carrying 8 relievers right now. Some of them who aren't any good and could be sent down if necessary. The bullpen workload doesn't sit too well with me. But like I originally said, I think it'll be best for the Reds if we lose. I think management is really looking for a reason to keep the status quo. So maybe it isn't so bad. Yeah, I think reaching for 122 pitches to finish off a complete game is a different scenario... He didn't finish seven innings...
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Post by kinsm on Jul 1, 2015 0:17:05 GMT -5
The Reds have 11 more games prior to the ASB, the best thing that could happen to this organization is if they lost every single one of them. They must sell Leake, Cueto, Byrd, Pena, and Parra for everything they can get. There is no excuse for any of those players to file for free agency out of the Reds organization this November. Chapman and Bruce should probably be sent packing as well, since it's unlikely this team is competing in 2016 either.
Top 5 draft pick, higher bonus pool, higher international allotment.
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Post by psuhistory on Jul 1, 2015 0:19:32 GMT -5
But like I originally said, I think it'll be best for the Reds if we lose.
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Post by redsfanman on Jul 1, 2015 7:58:19 GMT -5
He just wasn't on tonight. It was a constant battle. To try and steal another inning when he had given up 10 baserunners through 6 just didn't make sense. And unfortunately it looks like it might be the difference in this game. Right, so why 122 pitches tonight, but only 91 when he pitched 8 shutout innings against the Brewers in April? I guess they have more confidence in Anthony DeSclafani's ability to pitch deep into games after seeing him for three months than they did in his third start of the season. He might have pitched well enough for long enough that they give him some say in whether or not he's finished, like they do Johnny Cueto and other veterans, while he probably had little to no say in the matter in April. DeSclafani wasn't on tonight, but it's not like he was being pounded or anything. His third through 6th inning were pretty strong. He left the game having given up 4 runs, with 2 runners on base and 2 outs... unfortunately Badenhop allowed both inherited runners to score, which was outside of DeSclafani's control. When DeSclafani joined the Reds his ability was in question, while he's shown himself to be a competent big league starter, and I guess he's now being treated as such. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if an inning cap has been thrown out for him.
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Post by psuhistory on Jul 1, 2015 8:31:09 GMT -5
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if an inning cap has been thrown out for him. This is related to workload, not performance, so it would be surprising if the Reds just dropped the idea. If they were going to toss it in this way, they probably wouldn't have had the innings limit in the first place...
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Post by redsfanman on Jul 1, 2015 12:40:56 GMT -5
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if an inning cap has been thrown out for him. This is related to workload, not performance, so it would be surprising if the Reds just dropped the idea. If they were going to toss it in this way, they probably wouldn't have had the innings limit in the first place... After throwing ~130 innings last season in the regular season, plus 27 more in the Arizona Fall League, I was expecting him to be shut down around 180 innings. At this rate, unless he starts to show signs of wearing down, I'm starting to expect them to let him go for 200 innings. Yeah yeah, related to workload rather than performance... but the Reds haven't been clear at any point what their late season plans are for DeSclafani. Since coming to the Reds DeSclafani has always seemed to be in a see-what-happens-and-go-from-there situation, rather than being heavily babied and protected.
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Post by psuhistory on Jul 1, 2015 12:49:09 GMT -5
This is related to workload, not performance, so it would be surprising if the Reds just dropped the idea. If they were going to toss it in this way, they probably wouldn't have had the innings limit in the first place... After throwing ~130 innings last season in the regular season, plus 27 more in the Arizona Fall League, I was expecting him to be shut down around 180 innings. He's at 95 innings now. Maybe the in-season injuries to the rotation have changed the plan for him, we'll see. Price said clearly at the start of the season that the Reds would manage/limit DeSclafani's workload...
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