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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 21:31:49 GMT -5
Cozart 52 games, 449.2 innings - 3 errors
Suarez 15 games, 123.1 innings - 6 errors
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Post by grizzlylcs on Jun 28, 2015 21:36:51 GMT -5
Cozart sucks. He's useless. Worst player in MLB. Seriously, just throw anyone else out there they would be better.
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Post by rocky15231 on Jun 29, 2015 8:12:16 GMT -5
There's room for both. Neither are "the problem."
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 29, 2015 8:15:23 GMT -5
Grizz captured the general sentiments in Reds country about Cozart pretty perfectly. The old 'anyone is better than ______' often comes with unexpected consequences.
So far Suarez has been pretty good at the plate. What has surprised me with his errors is that mostly they haven't been throwing errors, but just typical fielding blunders... failing to catch a routine ground ball and stuff. Stuff that can happen to a player no matter what position he plays, rather than something that would particularly suggest that a move to another position would be a solution (like it might be for throwing errors). Hopefully the Reds coaches, advisers, and teammates like Cozart, Phillips, and Frazier have some ideas how to help him.
Either way I look forward to continuing to see Suarez this season. I'd much rather see the young guy than an older utility player.
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Post by psuhistory on Jun 29, 2015 9:56:36 GMT -5
There's room for both. Neither are "the problem." Even Jocketty said after last season that the Reds needed more offense from shortstop. It wasn't just fans complaining... And it's not like Cozart's defense wasn't appreciated. But that pitching staff is almost gone, the Reds aren't an intimidating, pitching-first team anymore. The answer isn't another 2014 Cozart, it's training an offensively capable shortstop to pick up the damn ball when it's hit directly at him and to remember where he's supposed to be on the field... |
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Post by rocky15231 on Jun 29, 2015 10:44:44 GMT -5
1. Cozart pre-2015 offensively was a drain on the team.
2. Cozart is a very good defensive shortstop.
3. Suarez is a better hitter than fielder.
It comes down to this. If Cozart hits anywhere like he did this year, he's a top 5 SS in MLB. If he hits where he did prior, he's just a guy who plays SS and will have a spot because of defense.
Suarez' future may not be full-time or even at SS, but it all comes down to what Zack Cozart is. I mean, if he hits anywhere like he did in 2015 for the next 2 years, he will price himself right out of Cincinnati.
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Post by rkymtnredsfan on Jun 29, 2015 10:51:46 GMT -5
There's room for both. Neither are "the problem." Even Jocketty said after last season that the Reds needed more offense from shortstop. It wasn't just fans complaining... And it's not like Cozart's defense wasn't appreciated. But that pitching staff is almost gone, the Reds aren't an intimidating, pitching-first team anymore. The answer isn't another 2014 Cozart, it's training an offensively capable shortstop to pick up the damn ball when it's hit directly at him and to remember where he's supposed to be on the field... Hopefully Suarez will get better in the field with experience. Some teams can carry a weak-hitting SS that provides excellent defense. The Reds certainly don't have the offense to overcome Cozart's numbers in 2014. It's a shame--Cozart was having a really good year, and it would have been interesting to see if it was a break through or just a fluke. |
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Post by psuhistory on Jun 29, 2015 11:23:51 GMT -5
It's a shame--Cozart was having a really good year, and it would have been interesting to see if it was a break through or just a fluke. Yeah, interesting question about the numbers, he's established over the years that he has GABP power if he gets pitches that he can pull. Maybe the fluke was the way teams pitched him away so effectively in 2014. This year he was seeing a lot more pitches on the inside part of the plate, whether by mistake or for some other reason. It's not like he suddenly started hitting to the opposite field: his 2015 numbers are based on things that he'd already shown he could do... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 11:26:51 GMT -5
Not that I think that over an entire season it would stay this way, but Suarez is on a pace for 64.8 errors over 162 games. Fact is he was not performing well defensively in Louisville prior to being called upeither. Not 6 errors in 15 games bad, but not good either. His offense looks to be his strong suit but the defense has to get considerably better. That met series was flat brutal.
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Post by rocky15231 on Jun 29, 2015 11:30:35 GMT -5
So he's maybe Ian Desmond? Desmond has a .737 career OPS and probably will get upwards of 15M a year when he hits FA?
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Post by grizzlylcs on Jun 29, 2015 11:59:22 GMT -5
Not that I think that over an entire season it would stay this way, but Suarez is on a pace for 64.8 errors over 162 games. Fact is he was not performing well defensively in Louisville prior to being called upeither. Not 6 errors in 15 games bad, but not good either. His offense looks to be his strong suit but the defense has to get considerably better. That met series was flat brutal. You can directly link to a Suarez error in the "beginning of the end" in all our recent losses. Even if the runs don't come that inning, the pitcher throws an extra 10 pitches then falls off the next couple. |
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Post by kinsm on Jun 30, 2015 2:34:54 GMT -5
Cozart at age 23, playing in AA Carolina
Suarez at age 23, playing in GABP
That's a comparison in context
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Post by stone19uk on Jun 30, 2015 10:25:27 GMT -5
Cozart at age 23, playing in AA Carolina Suarez at age 23, playing in GABP That's a comparison in context Cozart also made 23 E's that season. So it's not like Cozart didn't have to put in the work to improve his defense. |
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Post by stone19uk on Jun 30, 2015 10:43:25 GMT -5
Suarez has the arm to stick at SS. I would like to get a better scouting report on his range at the position. Suarez has begun working on his footwork before games which has been a large part of the problem. Once he figures out and creates a blueprint for getting himself in the proper position when fielding and throwing you will see his defense improve. It will take this offseaon for him to get on the right track and really make improvements.
This biggest thing I see is that Suarez just needs to make the routine plays look routine.
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Post by psuhistory on Jun 30, 2015 11:02:07 GMT -5
Suarez has the arm to stick at SS. And don't forget, the ladies love him... |
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