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Post by Lark11 on Apr 18, 2015 9:25:31 GMT -5
The Reds should trade for Josh Hamilton.
The Angels want to dump him, to the extent that they are basically badmouthing him to the press even though it drives down his trade value.
So, if the Angels pay all but $3M AAV of his contract and it costs us nothing more than a marginal/non-prospect, should we roll the dice? What say you?
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Post by schellis on Apr 18, 2015 9:36:39 GMT -5
Hamilton has shoulder issues, and a drug relapse. I wish him well and hope he gets back on track, but I think he'll spend half seasons on the DL going forward and/or be plagued by nagging injuries. I always felt that his body would betray him early because of his drug abuse and it looks like I was right on that one. You also would have to deal with his baggage, and likely would have to have someone supervise him in the way that the Rangers did. Even at just three million I think it would be a mistake. One of those deals that when added up with similar contract mistakes would cost the Reds a quality player. You don't pay much more then the minimum for replacement level production and that is where I think Hamilton is going to be when he comes back. He also doesn't bring veteran like leadership like what the Reds are getting from Byrd.
To much baggage, to little production. The Reds saved Hamilton once, I don't think they can do it again.
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Post by psuhistory on Apr 18, 2015 9:59:52 GMT -5
Hamilton has shoulder issues, and a drug relapse. I wish him well and hope he gets back on track, but I think he'll spend half seasons on the DL going forward and/or be plagued by nagging injuries. Basically agree with this, not worth the risk to find out otherwise...
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Post by redskoolaiddrinker on Apr 18, 2015 10:01:58 GMT -5
Yes if they pay all of the contract but the $3M/ ye AND take Marquis and Gregg. Addition by subtracting those two geezers. Also, let him platoon w Byrd and Byrd's contract doesn't vest. Or include Byrd with the other two old guys. Angles would never do it, of course.
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Post by redskoolaiddrinker on Apr 18, 2015 10:03:09 GMT -5
Would this give is the most Hamilton's on one roster in MLB? At least we can win something.
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Post by psuhistory on Apr 18, 2015 10:19:58 GMT -5
Would this give is the most Hamilton's on one roster in MLB? At least we can win something. And they play closer to Hamilton than anyone else...
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Post by breakerslim on Apr 18, 2015 11:13:01 GMT -5
Well he'd be our best OFer, that's for certain.
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Post by redsfanman on Apr 18, 2015 11:49:45 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Still a bad example. The Reds need to learn to hit and pitch, not how to develop drug problems.
One Hamilton is enough, and I prefer Billy. You know, where you hear the word 'speed' and don't get worried.
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Post by kramer1 on Apr 18, 2015 11:54:06 GMT -5
Yes, please. He's the best baseball player I've ever seen.
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Post by schellis on Apr 18, 2015 14:05:04 GMT -5
Yes, please. He's the best baseball player I've ever seen. He isn't that player any more. I would say his body is closer to a 40 year old players then it is a one that is in his early 30's. Right now I think he'd be similar to Griffey in his last few years only with a horrible batting eye. .200-.220 with a low OBP tons of k's and say 15 homers if his shoulder injury hasn't sapped his power completely. Reds/Rangers Hamilton isn't coming back. WOuldn't be surprised if he retired once this contract ran its course. What he could have been if he stayed clean is one of the tragic losses to baseball. Right up there with a sober and healthy Mantle. If the Reds offered Byrd/Gregg/Marquis for Hamilton and the difference in salary I think the Angels would take it. I also think if they were to release him he'd price himself out of a job. NOt many teams will step up for someone with drug issues that is a near replacement level player. Just to much of a headache for minimal gain.
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Post by kramer1 on Apr 18, 2015 14:32:41 GMT -5
Yes, please. He's the best baseball player I've ever seen. He isn't that player any more. I would say his body is closer to a 40 year old players then it is a one that is in his early 30's. Right now I think he'd be similar to Griffey in his last few years only with a horrible batting eye. .200-.220 with a low OBP tons of k's and say 15 homers if his shoulder injury hasn't sapped his power completely. Reds/Rangers Hamilton isn't coming back. WOuldn't be surprised if he retired once this contract ran its course. What he could have been if he stayed clean is one of the tragic losses to baseball. Right up there with a sober and healthy Mantle. If the Reds offered Byrd/Gregg/Marquis for Hamilton and the difference in salary I think the Angels would take it. I also think if they were to release him he'd price himself out of a job. NOt many teams will step up for someone with drug issues that is a near replacement level player. Just to much of a headache for minimal gain. I don't agree with any of this. I think you're WAAAY off, actually. Hamilton has a lot left to give. He's nowhere near washed up. He had a .331 OBP last season for gods sake. That would be what? 2nd on the team? I'd pick him up and bat him 1st or 4th.
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Post by Lark11 on Apr 18, 2015 14:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by tnredsfan on Apr 18, 2015 22:32:39 GMT -5
I want to like this idea so much, but.... I can't go there. If we were one piece away - a 4th outfielder/bench bat - from contending (and don't get me wrong, we really do need a bench bat/4th outfielder), I'd be all about it. But this team has limited resources and a LOT of holes to fill. Not sure it's worth the money and the possible circus (does he still need a babysitter?) that comes with it if he's turning a 75 win team into a 77 win team. But if it were turning a 89 win team into a 91 win team? Yes.
I think Hamilton ends up as a DH for an AL club.
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Post by Lark11 on Apr 18, 2015 23:11:37 GMT -5
He isn't that player any more. I would say his body is closer to a 40 year old players then it is a one that is in his early 30's. Right now I think he'd be similar to Griffey in his last few years only with a horrible batting eye. .200-.220 with a low OBP tons of k's and say 15 homers if his shoulder injury hasn't sapped his power completely. Reds/Rangers Hamilton isn't coming back. WOuldn't be surprised if he retired once this contract ran its course. What he could have been if he stayed clean is one of the tragic losses to baseball. Right up there with a sober and healthy Mantle. If the Reds offered Byrd/Gregg/Marquis for Hamilton and the difference in salary I think the Angels would take it. I also think if they were to release him he'd price himself out of a job. NOt many teams will step up for someone with drug issues that is a near replacement level player. Just to much of a headache for minimal gain. I don't agree with any of this. I think you're WAAAY off, actually. Hamilton has a lot left to give. He's nowhere near washed up. He had a .331 OBP last season for gods sake. That would be what? 2nd on the team? I'd pick him up and bat him 1st or 4th. If you get the cost down to $3M AAV and a marginal prospect, I don't really see the risk. At that price, he would add value as nothing more than depth and he could be significantly better than that. Maybe a Byrd/Hamilton platoon in left. If B-Ham doesn't straighten up, then maybe J-Ham would be the full-time CF. I agree with Cosmo, I'd cut that deal.
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Post by jbuck on Apr 19, 2015 11:40:55 GMT -5
it's a desperate move, not going to keep us out of the shatter
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