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Post by kinsm on Nov 24, 2014 6:41:32 GMT -5
Who says no first, Beane or Jocketty?
Beane needs to make room for his 12 1bman/DH/OF'ers, and needs a SS that is only controlled for 2-3 years due to Daniel Robertson being in their pipeline.
The Reds can turn around and sign a free agent SS like Jed Lowrie at a cheaper rate than they can a free agent LF'er. And they don't have to break up the rotation that they will surely need for this coming season.
Moss is under team control for two more seasons, MLBTR projects that he'll make ~7.1M$ via arb this winter.
Cozart is under team control for three more seasons, MLBTR projects that he'll make ~2.3M$ via arb this winter.
Moss has been worth 6.9 bWAR / 6.5 fWAR over the past 3 seasons and steamer600 projects him at 1.9 fWAR in 2015.
Cozart has been worth 6.4 bWAR / 5.6 fWAR over the past 3 seasons and steamer600 projects him at 1.9 fWAR in 2015.
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Post by redsfanman on Nov 24, 2014 8:57:44 GMT -5
"The Reds can turn around and sign a free agent SS like Jed Lowrie at a cheaper rate than they can a free agent LF'er"
Uh, somehow I doubt that salary inflation which has happen this winter at most positions has avoided the shortstop position. In addition Jed Lowrie has a reputation as a good hitter but horrendous defensive shortstop, the opposite of Cozart. Lowrie's 0.8 WAR in 2014 was actually lower than Cozart's 2.4 WAR, according to Baseball Reference. Improvement? That's open to debate. Just switching hitting for fielding, with a big pay increase for at best a comparable WAR.
I doubt the A's will trade a power hitting outfielder for Cozart, or that the Reds will trade Cozart for a more expensive downgrade at SS. Pitching and fielding remains one of this team's strengths.
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Post by Lark11 on Nov 24, 2014 10:44:30 GMT -5
Moss as in Brandon Moss?
I'd be astonished if we could land Moss for Cozart.
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Post by psuhistory on Nov 24, 2014 10:56:04 GMT -5
Moss as in Brandon Moss? I'd be astonished if we could land Moss for Cozart. Yeah, Moss had a terrible second half, but he was playing injured and then came through for them in the postseason. It doesn't seem likely as a trade, but the idea of a cheap trade to fix lf and then using cash for ss is a workable plan... |
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Post by Lark11 on Nov 24, 2014 11:00:14 GMT -5
Moss as in Brandon Moss? I'd be astonished if we could land Moss for Cozart. Yeah, Moss had a terrible second half, but he was playing injured and then came through for them in the postseason. It doesn't seem likely as a trade, but the idea of a cheap trade to fix lf and then using cash for ss is a workable plan... Yeah, to me, Moss feels like he has significant positive trade value, while Cozart has zero to negative trade value. Moss had surgery to repair his hip, both a torn labrum and impingement. That seems like a legitimate reason for his second half collapse. |
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Post by jsmith on Nov 24, 2014 11:48:08 GMT -5
This is actually a very nice "outside the box" trade idea. That said, I think Billy Beane hangs up first. Oakland at the moment does have quite a logjam in DH/1B type players, but I would think he could do better than Cozart if he was willing to trade Moss.
Not sure I agree with Cozart having a negative trade value though. On an AL team that already has quality bats he would be a perfect number 9 hitter as long as that team expects nothing from him at the plate. Sort of an 1970's Mark Belanger value with the Orioles. I would think his trade value would be about what the same as Ryan Hanigan.
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Post by Lark11 on Nov 24, 2014 12:07:42 GMT -5
This is actually a very nice "outside the box" trade idea. That said, I think Billy Beane hangs up first. Oakland at the moment does have quite a logjam in DH/1B type players, but I would think he could do better than Cozart if he was willing to trade Moss. Not sure I agree with Cozart having a negative trade value though. On an AL team that already has quality bats he would be a perfect number 9 hitter as long as that team expects nothing from him at the plate. Sort of an 1970's Mark Belanger value with the Orioles. I would think his trade value would be about what the same as Ryan Hanigan. Yeah, that's probably fair. Cozart hasn't reached negative value yet and probably not zero value, either. I overstated that. But, his offensive production continues to trend downwards, while his salaries continue to trend upwards. If that continues, then he'll be a zero/negative value player in the near future. |
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Post by jsmith on Nov 24, 2014 12:25:21 GMT -5
This is actually a very nice "outside the box" trade idea. That said, I think Billy Beane hangs up first. Oakland at the moment does have quite a logjam in DH/1B type players, but I would think he could do better than Cozart if he was willing to trade Moss. Not sure I agree with Cozart having a negative trade value though. On an AL team that already has quality bats he would be a perfect number 9 hitter as long as that team expects nothing from him at the plate. Sort of an 1970's Mark Belanger value with the Orioles. I would think his trade value would be about what the same as Ryan Hanigan. Yeah, that's probably fair. Cozart hasn't reached negative value yet and probably not zero value, either. I overstated that. But, his offensive production continues to trend downwards, while his salaries continue to trend upwards. If that continues, then he'll be a zero/negative value player in the near future. I agree with you on the above. First thought is how in the hell can his offensive production trend downward after last year? If it does I would think it would be a great time to give Rey Navarro a chance. Oh wait, never mind...at least we protected Juan Duran! |
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Post by Lark11 on Nov 24, 2014 12:29:52 GMT -5
Yeah, that's probably fair. Cozart hasn't reached negative value yet and probably not zero value, either. I overstated that. But, his offensive production continues to trend downwards, while his salaries continue to trend upwards. If that continues, then he'll be a zero/negative value player in the near future. I agree with you on the above. First thought is how in the hell can his offensive production trend downward after last year? If it does I would think it would be a great time to give Rey Navarro a chance. Oh wait, never mind...at least we protected Juan Duran! lol A scary thought, isn't it? On Navarro, I was impressed with what I saw of him last year in spring training. I posted on here at the time that I could see him carving out some type of role at the MLB level in the future. He does some things well and the bar for backup middle infielder isn't very high. |
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Post by kinsm on Nov 24, 2014 18:34:26 GMT -5
Moss as in Brandon Moss? I'd be astonished if we could land Moss for Cozart. Clearly I didn't mean straight up, I'd assume their would be other pieces involved. I think I've made it abundantly clear how much I value Cozart. |
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Post by Lark11 on Nov 24, 2014 18:39:26 GMT -5
Moss as in Brandon Moss? I'd be astonished if we could land Moss for Cozart. Clearly I didn't mean straight up, I'd assume their would be other pieces involved. I think I've made it abundantly clear how much I value Cozart. It wasn't clear. You've made it clear how you feel about Cozart, but you aren't on record with how you feel about Moss. If we were to make an offer/deal for Moss, Cozart would be a thrown-in/complimentary piece. |
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Post by kinsm on Nov 24, 2014 18:46:10 GMT -5
Clearly I didn't mean straight up, I'd assume their would be other pieces involved. I think I've made it abundantly clear how much I value Cozart. It wasn't clear. You've made it clear how you feel about Cozart, but you aren't on record with how you feel about Moss. If we were to make an offer/deal for Moss, Cozart would be a thrown-in/complimentary piece. I don't think he'd be a throw in, he'd be considered a starter for them for 1-3 years. Recent Stephen Drew is evidence to what a no hit premium D SS is worth today. |
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Post by kinsm on Nov 27, 2014 1:05:59 GMT -5
---Susan Slusser (San Francisco Chronicel)
Brandon Moss could not help but become aware that the Athletics have made some notable additions that have a bearing on his status with the club. Moss, who avoided the need for micro-fracture surgery on his hip and expects to be ready to go on something close to a normal schedule this spring, says he realizes that the additions of Billy Butler and Ike Davis could set up some other changes. “You never know; the front office likes to mix up,” said Moss. “I’m trying not to let anything surprise me, because I don’t want to be blindsided. Obviously, I love playing in Oakland, but when this happened, I knew it could mean someone else gets moved.”
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Post by kinsm on Dec 4, 2014 9:41:31 GMT -5
The Athletics are “going to trade Brandon Moss,” an executive told ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark last night.
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Post by kinsm on Dec 4, 2014 20:13:25 GMT -5
The Indians “are guardedly optimistic” that they can complete a deal for Moss, tweets Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
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