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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 8:08:50 GMT -5
Kind of wanted to see what opinions would be about this. Smith got off to a rough start with a 30 pitch first inning that was compounded by a throwing error. Allowed 3 runs, 1 of which was unearned as the Indians sent nine to the plate in the first. He was pretty much lights out after that. He entered the ninth with already 100+ pitches, the Bats announcer sounded bewildered when he hit for himself in the ninth and seemed to think that Riggleman had in mind to let him face 1 or two batters before lifting him. Instead he was allowed to go the distance for his first career 9 inning complete game. Ended with the 131 figure for pitch count. Since Smith is not a high velocity guy I suppose the argument could be made that ala Bronson Arroyo that his pitches don't take the same toll as someone gunning it up there in the upper 90's. Still it is a rare thing at any level to see this kind of pitch count. Have to wonder if it's wise to allow a guy that is something of a prospect to do this at AAA. Personally I don't have issue with it. He proved to be capable and that might be valuable info to the organization moving forward. I watched a bit of it this morning and the Indy announcers were also really surprised to see him pitch the 9th and made comment that they had not seen a pitch count that high in recent memory.
So for those that care, what are your opinions of a AAA guy being allowed to go that high on his pitch count?
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Post by schellis on Jul 6, 2014 14:12:24 GMT -5
Older guy at the level, numbers are fringy to the point that he'll likely be just a organizational filler that maybe gets a year or two of starts at the major league level over his career.
I'm fine with a older pitch to contact type pitcher that doesn't have much of a future with the team throwing 130 pitches in a game.
If it were Stephenson who was throwing a lot of high stress pitches and had his count get up to 130 for something meaningless I would have issues.
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Post by kinsm on Jul 6, 2014 18:07:42 GMT -5
If he were a true prospect I'd have a problem with it, he is filler - though important home grown rotation filler. It'll be interesting to see if the Reds protect him from the Rule 5 draft this winter.
*He also had a complete game in 2012 (may have only been 8 innings though).
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Post by Lark11 on Jul 6, 2014 18:10:40 GMT -5
He's 26 and has extensive time as a starting pitcher in the professional ranks. He should be conditioned to throw that many pitches. Not a problem for me.
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Post by The Duke on Jul 7, 2014 0:15:10 GMT -5
You'd rather not see it that high, but as long as it's an exception, no big deal really. I could see Smith making a couple spot starts some time in the next year and a half, but long term he's a long shot to ever be more than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 5:07:19 GMT -5
You'd rather not see it that high, but as long as it's an exception, no big deal really. I could see Smith making a couple spot starts some time in the next year and a half, but long term he's a long shot to ever be more than that. This is pretty much how I see it as well. I think even more likely than seeing a stint with the reds would be the possibility of him being a throw in on a trade. Some team with a really bad rotation at the MLB or AAA level might find him a nice add in piece. He'd probably do well in Petco. |
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Post by redsfanman on Jul 7, 2014 11:32:02 GMT -5
As has already been said here, I think Josh Smith is nothing more than organizational filler, and maintaining his health is of no relevance to anybody. If it was a top prospect like Stephenson or Lorenzen I'd want them to be more protective. Josh Smith, like Alfredo Simon, is somebody who should be pushed until his arm falls off... once it does nobody will care.
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Post by darryl1757 on Jul 7, 2014 17:29:56 GMT -5
Why push someone so hard in games where winning is not important? If he isn't in your long term plans trade him and maybe he can get a shot somewhere else.
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Post by Lark11 on Jul 7, 2014 19:30:09 GMT -5
Why push someone so hard in games where winning is not important? If he isn't in your long term plans trade him and maybe he can get a shot somewhere else. So that he can actually do it in a game where winning IS important? |
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Post by darryl1757 on Jul 8, 2014 2:10:12 GMT -5
Why push someone so hard in games where winning is not important? If he isn't in your long term plans trade him and maybe he can get a shot somewhere else. So that he can actually do it in a game where winning IS important? So would you be ok if it was Stephenson? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 5:03:13 GMT -5
My thinking was that it may enhance his value if packaged in a trade. He'd surely be a lesser piece if it was a big trade but this proves he is capable of eating some innings. I agree with most that he is not some bright and shining star of the future, especially not with the Reds. D'Backs might like to have him right about now though.
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Post by redsfanman on Jul 8, 2014 8:30:32 GMT -5
Josh Smith isn't even protected on the 40 man roster. Josh Smith isn't getting promoted for double headers. The Reds have plenty of relatively unknown but promising pitching prospects in the organization to trade - (in no particular order) Ismael Guillon, Sal Romano, Drew Cisco, Jon Moscot, Daniel Wright, Amir Garrett, Dan Langfield, Jackson Stephens (NOT including big name guys like Stephenson, Lorenzen, Lively, Travieso, and perhaps Holmberg) - but I don't think Josh Smith is one of them. He's filler, rather than a prospect.
I'd want Josh Smith traded to the first team that'd take him, along with Neftali Soto. Somehow I doubt he's in demand though.
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Post by Lark11 on Jul 8, 2014 9:20:47 GMT -5
So that he can actually do it in a game where winning IS important? So would you be ok if it was Stephenson? Stephenson isn't 26 years old. |
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Post by kinsm on Jul 8, 2014 13:11:02 GMT -5
Josh Smith isn't even protected on the 40 man roster. Josh Smith isn't getting promoted for double headers. The Reds have plenty of relatively unknown but promising pitching prospects in the organization to trade - (in no particular order) Ismael Guillon, Sal Romano, Drew Cisco, Jon Moscot, Daniel Wright, Amir Garrett, Dan Langfield, Jackson Stephens (NOT including big name guys like Stephenson, Lorenzen, Lively, Travieso, and perhaps Holmberg) - but I don't think Josh Smith is one of them. He's filler, rather than a prospect. I'd want Josh Smith traded to the first team that'd take him, along with Neftali Soto. Somehow I doubt he's in demand though. He doesn't have to be "protected" until this November. He's not nearly as worthless as Soto is, he could be a Sam LeCure type pitcher in the bigs - that has value. |
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Post by quantumfootball on Jul 8, 2014 19:01:43 GMT -5
If the Reds did acquire Adam Dunn, I would think that he would be about what the White Sox should get in return.
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